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Tarcoon
Woohoo! It's 100

Germany
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Posted - 11 Jan 2004 :  17:45:05  Show Profile Send Tarcoon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Tarcoon
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Germany
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Posted - 12 Jan 2004 :  19:40:42  Show Profile Send Tarcoon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Server Offline !!

Probs with Connection

Sorry
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MajorTom
When I was a lad . . . .

USA
1490 Posts

Posted - 12 Jan 2004 :  20:17:17  Show Profile  Visit MajorTom's Homepage Send MajorTom a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I would have joined, but it's probably better you're not online now, since my old PC with EOC on it is running on my little 17' monitor. (I plan to use it as a standalone dedicated MP server soon)

I just set up my new XP-Machine yesterday and haven't got EOC installed on it yet.

btw, Tarcoon, I'm thinking of settin up a seperate User account on XP specially for EOC because of the "." and "," issue on the Mainland European version of XP. Did you try that when you were having issues with MP?


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Tarcoon
Woohoo! It's 100

Germany
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Posted - 13 Jan 2004 :  16:50:35  Show Profile Send Tarcoon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Good idea - but I have no problems with the "." and "," settings for EoC. I leave these settings all the time.
(Hhm - and have/had some trouble while booting... ?)

The MP-problems may be caused in my mods folder handling.
I rename the folder depending on the game I want to play.
The folders are called xxx-mods and yyy-mods and so on and I activate a folder per deleting the xxx- from its name. The game is able to handle this, but I'm not sure if it works with MP.
The game crashed back to desktop everytime I've tried to start a server.

I thought about creating more maindirectories - maybe a better solution to switch between different settings.
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MajorTom
When I was a lad . . . .

USA
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Posted - 13 Jan 2004 :  18:34:41  Show Profile  Visit MajorTom's Homepage Send MajorTom a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tarcoon


The MP-problems may be caused in my mods folder handling.
I rename the folder depending on the game I want to play.
The folders are called xxx-mods and yyy-mods and so on and I activate a folder per deleting the xxx- from its name. The game is able to handle this, but I'm not sure if it works with MP.
The game crashed back to desktop everytime I've tried to start a server.



MP only needs the folder EpicOnlb in your main directory. MP will run even if you don't have the cargo handling mods in your current mods folder (you just can't select trade cargo or return trades to your SP game if they aren't activated). Switching names on the mods folder has no effect, I use that method too.
Must be something else?

quote:

I thought about creating more maindirectories - maybe a better solution to switch between different settings.


I've tried that on Win98 and ME. I could install to another directory, but couldn't patch that install. The Patch installer said it's already patched. Might work on XP though ?


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Tarcoon
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Germany
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Posted - 14 Jan 2004 :  22:10:27  Show Profile Send Tarcoon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What about patching the maindirectory and simple copy it a few times , rename them after installing the different mods and switch between them?

By the way, I'm not able to host a server anymore - the game crashes all the time.
It's a good reason to reinstall the game and try that copy-stuff.

Having a seperate user for EoC may be useful too.
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MajorTom
When I was a lad . . . .

USA
1490 Posts

Posted - 18 Jan 2004 :  11:49:45  Show Profile  Visit MajorTom's Homepage Send MajorTom a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I still haven't had time to install EOC on my new XP-machine.

Have you had any luck with your proposed method?

Did you find the source of the server crashes? It could be something in your flux.ini.
You might want to try out a dedicated server. (look down at the bottom of the file EpicOnlb/Readme/english/general.doc.) That has all the flux.ini settings (for MP) that I cut and pasted directly out of my game.


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Demiurgo
Oooh I've passed 50

Spain
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Posted - 18 Jan 2004 :  14:23:58  Show Profile Send Demiurgo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tarcoon

What about patching the maindirectory and simple copy it a few times , rename them after installing the different mods and switch between them?

By the way, I'm not able to host a server anymore - the game crashes all the time.
It's a good reason to reinstall the game and try that copy-stuff.

Having a seperate user for EoC may be useful too.



I did a similar thing when we played Epic, do you rememer? I installed EoC, put the basic patches (F14) and made a copy (zip) of it. Then i created two diferent folders, one for normal SP game with elite, ifleet... mods and another with Epic. The trick is that you need to rename the folders everytime you play, you cannot execute the executables of the game into the folder you use. Ill explain better:

Install EoC to:
c:\games\EoC

Basic patch and make the backup. Now create two folders:
c:\games\Epic
c:\games\SP <-- normal game

Make a copy of the backup to each of that directories (now you can reuse the EoC to waste not so much time). You can apply now patches and mods in diferrent ways for different folders.

Now, if you want to play EoC SP yo have to rename:
c:\games\SP --> c:\games\EoC

If you want to play Epic:
c:\games\Epic --> c:\games\EoC

This is because even if you applyu diferrent patches the game STILL searchs the databases into the folder where it was installed: c:\games\EoC

You have to be renaming one time after another to get the games working, but at least it grants you can play in two ways without too much problems and if one of the versios die and you still have the backup, its a thing of minutes get it working again.



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MajorTom
When I was a lad . . . .

USA
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Posted - 05 Feb 2004 :  23:03:59  Show Profile  Visit MajorTom's Homepage Send MajorTom a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tarcoon


By the way, I'm not able to host a server anymore - the game crashes all the time.



Have you got that fixed in the meantime?

I just installed EOC on XP pro (on my new PC) and had no problems at all. Even got it to run a dedicated server. It ran with no problem for about 1/2 hour while I was connected to it via Internet (not Lan) with my other PC. (A rough game with several players could show problems I didn't see this time, but time will tell.)

You can set up a separate user account for EOC to fix the the dot and comma issue that seriously affects EOC on the European version of XP.
I only changed the Regional Settings on that user account at "Standards and currency Formats" to English (USA) while leaving the language set to German. (I left the setting at "Germany" on the main account. WinXP seems to have no problems dealing with 2 different settings when you switch between accounts)

Just to be on the safe side I set the EOC.exe (and the shortcut for the dedicated server) to win98 compatibility mode via properties. (I didn't even try the game before setting the compatibility mode.)

The only minor issue is with the integrated firewall in XP. You have to turn it off manually before you start a game. (Because I couldn't find a way to have the firewall turned off on the EOC user account and on, on the main account.)


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Tarcoon
Woohoo! It's 100

Germany
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Posted - 06 Feb 2004 :  09:48:09  Show Profile Send Tarcoon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I managed to cut me off from internet by changing some firewall configurations - XP firewall is disabled - I use sygate.

I swiched off my firewall to host a game, but this didn't work any longer. I guess the needed ports stay closed after disabeling my firewall. I didn't find a workaround by now.
Joining a game is possible, hosting a game not.

I installed a user for EoC and deleted "him" again. I have to be in the mood for personalizing the desktop theme and installing the needed software. I can't stand that standard XP theme
( http://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=8&SkinID=5703 - I love this one)

Changing the dot and comma stuff has no influence on my system. I wonder about that, but it works well.

No probs with compatibility.
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MajorTom
When I was a lad . . . .

USA
1490 Posts

Posted - 06 Feb 2004 :  13:04:58  Show Profile  Visit MajorTom's Homepage Send MajorTom a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just disabling the firewall doesn't open the ports. Even with the firewall disabled you still have to open the ports "manually".

Here is a link to Gamespy with information about configuring firewalls.

http://www.gamespyarcade.com/support/firewalls.shtml

I didn't see anything about Sygate, but at least it lists the ports that have to be opened (you'll probably have to open each of the port numbers for both TCP and UDP).

Could be that you can't host because one of those ports aren't open, while you have enough ports open to be a client (??)

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Tarcoon
Woohoo! It's 100

Germany
350 Posts

Posted - 06 Feb 2004 :  20:47:08  Show Profile Send Tarcoon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This gamecrashing drives me mad

I reinstalled the game and set my firewall to "allow all", even then I can't get a connection.

flux.log tells me:
LOADER: [unknown] Entering WinMain
FLUX: [unknown] Trying to create application of class "iwar2.icServerApp"
FLUX: [unknown] Application created successfully
FLUX: [unknown] Initialising Server "Templar's Lair"
FLUX: [unknown] ServerSessionIndexFromName() Connecting to address "" session "Templar's Lair"



MT - be so kind and check your log - it seems to me the "address" is missing.

I don't remember to install something strange or change internet settings.
I still have this booting problem - a blue screen appears for 0.5 sec, but I can't read anything.
Then I get a choice to run secure mode or last known regular version or "Start windows normally".
Whatever I do, there is no hint for this malfuction.




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MajorTom
When I was a lad . . . .

USA
1490 Posts

Posted - 06 Feb 2004 :  21:14:05  Show Profile  Visit MajorTom's Homepage Send MajorTom a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It should look like this (if you don't have dev_mode set.)

LOADER: [unknown] Entering WinMain
FLUX: [unknown] Trying to create application of class "iwar2.icServerApp"
FLUX: [unknown] Application created successfully
FLUX: [unknown] Creating device to implement "FiNetworkDevice" with class "dx8net.fcNetworkDeviceDP8"...
FLUX: [unknown] Device creation succeeded
FLUX: [unknown] Initialising Server "MjrT_EpicOnlF"
FLUX: [unknown] Client 2 tried to connect to the server...
FLUX: [unknown] Client 2 connected to the server
FLUX: [unknown] Sent control message FmMultiplaySendClientInfo to client 2
FLUX: [unknown] Sent control message FmMultiplayWorldInfo to client 2
FLUX: [unknown] Client 2 validated.

It looks like you're missing the DX8 part.

Try running dxdiag ?

Also, did you remember to remove (re-name) the folder images/planets?

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Tarcoon
Woohoo! It's 100

Germany
350 Posts

Posted - 07 Feb 2004 :  00:00:36  Show Profile Send Tarcoon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I remembered the planets, and I run dxdiag.
the last page told me something about "only available with dx8" or so - I didn't think about that. dx9b is installed.
Guess I have to do it again and reinstall that dx9b.

We'll gonna see
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Tarcoon
Woohoo! It's 100

Germany
350 Posts

Posted - 07 Feb 2004 :  00:27:54  Show Profile Send Tarcoon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for your help, it was something wrong with the dx9b installation. Sometimes you need another pair of eyes to see the problem.
I can't imagine how the version chould define itself as 4.x - something strange was going on.
Now - the booting sequence was regular too.

I managed to host a regular MP server, but I'll have to reinstall EpicOnlineF. I'll do this tomorrow.

And I'll try to reconfigurate my firewall. "Allow All" makes me feel sick...
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Tarcoon
Woohoo! It's 100

Germany
350 Posts

Posted - 07 Feb 2004 :  08:49:50  Show Profile Send Tarcoon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It goes funny now

I was able to host a game before installing EpicOnlineF.
Now I can open a server, but the screen freezes at the start button.
I start the game again and try to join an internet game and what do I find: my own server "Tarcoon EpicOnlineF" - ready to join.

There was a solution for that, but I don't remember...

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